The Origins of ‘Destiny’


Image: Matt Forsythe

“There’s nowhere you can be that isn’t where you’re meant to be…”

John Lennon

Inspiration happens in its own time, and it usually occurs during random conversations, and endless banter between friends. I like to bounce ideas off people, or have people bounce their ideas off me. I enjoy hearing different opinions, and perspectives on all aspects of life, especially Philosophy. It has been my experience that I am usually the catalyst but to my surprise on Friday night, I found myself to be the receptor.

This young man found his way to me a few months ago, and we have had a few conversations, but nothing like this. I usually don’t find myself actually wanting to sit and talk to people in private messages, not like I have something better to do, or think that I am better, I just don’t like forced conversation, or small talk. I guess this is a bit selfish of me, in fact, I know it is. My inbox is usually full of messages from people, and I answer them in my own time, which is not how I should be, but it’s how I am.

I don’t know why I felt the need to even begin the conversation, there was no real topic, it was kind of like two minds who couldn’t sleep were just bouncing conspiracies, belief’s, experiences and feelings off of each other. His mind is a delightfully deep place, he is neither light nor dark but an all-encompassing energy, he has a bit of everything. Which, for someone like me, draws me in like a moth to light.

I am intrigued by people who have not taken sides, who have not chosen a specific path, and they are kind of forging their own, quite literally. He also identifies with both genders, and there is a clear divide between a strong feminine, and masculine energy. The funny thing is he has found almost a perfect balance, there is no battling between sides going on.

So in the midst of talking about reptilians, Archon’s, Anunnaki and every conspiracy relating to them, we also discussed the possibility of Yahweh or Allah being the true “Satan” (the cliché evil entity that wreaks havoc on the world). I mean, we covered all bases, every concept that could be discussed, some were utterly ridiculous, but others blossomed ideas in my head. We got onto the topic of destiny, and if I believe things are pre-determined, or the whole “everything happens for a reason”.

Do I believe everything happens for a reason? No. Do I believe that some omniscient God has determined my path? No. Do I believe some things happen no matter what? Yes.

The ultimate paradox.

Before I even had time to think of the answer I had already hit send with my response, and as I read it, I became conflicted with myself. As a theistic Luciferian, walker of the LHP, we tend to think we are our own web weavers, and only we have that power. I do believe I weave my own web, and I believe that everyone has this ability, and often ignore it but, I believe that some things are truly going to happen no matter what. There may not be one clear pre-destined path to get to this point, but some things: events, relationships, dreams, goals, jobs, etc. are just “meant to be”. I don’t know who I believe is in charge of this, and part of me thinks maybe it is another version of ourselves guiding us, maybe from a parallel place, or perhaps another life. I am still figuring that part out for myself. I know I definitely don’t think it is “God”.

So this weekend was spent going over the conversation, and challenging my own philosophy. It led me to wonder, where did the idea of destiny originally come from? Was it really the Greeks? Do Christians, and other Abrahamic religions have their own version of this, or have they diluted this, too?

I am a Seeker, and found some answers, so I am going to share them with you.

The concept of destiny: noun: The events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future: The hidden power believed to control what will happen in the future; fate, first appeared with the Greeks, and of course there was a Roman equivalent.

“The Moerae are the three sisters who decide on human fate: Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropus. They sing in unison with the music of the Sirens, weavers of fate, although the Moerae are 3, Fate is 1.”

“The Goddess of Necessity, Themis, brought forth three lovely daughters, known as the Moirai (Fates). All living things must eventually submit to these divine daughters of Zeus and Themis. Their names are: Klotho (Clotho), Lakhesis (Lachesis) and Atropos. Klotho spins the thread of life, Lakhesis determines the length of the thread and Atropos cuts the thread when the proper time has come for death.”

“The Fates also called the Moerae or the Parcae, determined when life begins, when it ends, and what happens in between. They were made up of three Sisters: Clotho, who appeared as a maiden and spun the thread of life. Her name meant The Spinner Lachesis, who appeared as a matron and measured the thread of life. She was the Caster of lots. Atropos, who cut the thread of life, and appeared as a crone. Her name meant, Unbending Though the smallest of the three, she is the most terrible. In Greek mythology, the white-robed Moirae or Moerae (in Greek Μοῖραι — the “apportioners”, often called the Fates) were the personifications of destiny (Roman equivalent: Parcae, “sparing ones”, or Fata; also equivalent to the Germanic Norns). They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal and immortal from birth to death (and beyond). Even the gods feared the Moirae. Zeus also was subject to their power, as the Pythian priestess at Delphi once admitted. The Greek word moira (μοῖρα) literally means a part or portion, and by extension one’s portion in life or destiny. The three Moirae were:

“Clotho (pronounced in English [‘kləʊθəʊ], Greek Κλωθώ — “spinner”) spun the thread of life from her distaff onto her spindle. Her Roman equivalent was Nona, (the ‘Ninth’), who was originally a goddess called upon in the ninth month of pregnancy.”

“Lachesis ([‘lækəsɪs], Greek Λάχεσις — “allotter” or drawer of lots) measured the thread of life with her rod. Her Roman equivalent was Decima (the ‘Tenth’).”

“Atropos ([‘ætrəpɒs], Greek Ἄτροπος — “inexorable” or “inevitable”, literally “unturning”, sometimes called Aisa) was the cutter of the thread of life. She chose the manner of a person’s death. When she cut the thread with “her abhorrèd shears”, someone on Earth died. Her Roman equivalent was Morta (a name apparently borrowed from the Greek Μόрτη Mortē “destiner”; not to be confused with the minor Roman god Mors “Death”).”

“The Moirae were supposed to appear three nights after a child’s birth to determine the course of its life. It is difficult to separate them from the Norns, the similar age-old fates, older than the gods, of a separate Indo-European tradition.”

  1. The Fates
  2. The Norns
  3. Moirai
  4. Three Sisters – (Also name to the three mountains “The Three Sisters” in Oregon)
  5. Weird Sisters – (Another name for both the “Fates” and “Norns”) – Anglo-Saxon Mythology
  6. Wyrd Sisters – (see “Weird Sisters”) – Anglo-Saxon
  7. Sisters of weird – (see “Weird Sisters”)
  8. Maiden from Giantland
  9. Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos (Greek Mythology)
  10. Wyrd, Urlverli and Skuld
  11. Nona, Morta, & Decuma (Roman Mythology)
  12. Urd or Urth (Past or Fate), Verandi or Verthandi (Present or Necessity) Skuld (Future or Being) – Norse Mythology
  13. The Maiden, The Mother and The Crone – also linked to the three visible phases of the moon – Waxing, Full and Waning. Also, Past, Present and Future.
  14. “Three in One” of Christian imagery The trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  15. Wyrd Myths
  16. Parcae
  17. Fatae
  18. Moriae – (Moirai)
  19. Three Witches – (Macbeth)
  20. Harsh Spinners – (“Fates” or “Fatae”)
  21. Faith, Hope and Charity – (Also what the Three Mountains in Oregon are named after – Christian Concept – The “Three Sisters” are also the three basic agricultural crops of Native Americans in North America, squash, maize (or corn), and climbing beans)
  22. Luna, Phoebe and Selene – (In the cartoon series “Gargoyles”)
  23. The Triple Goddesses – Pagan/Wiccan/Celtic
  24. Laimas – Latvian Mythology
  25. Morrigan – Celtic Mythology
  26. Holle, Hulda, or Holda – Europe
  27. Laima, Karta and Dekla (Laimas)
  28. Laime ( See “Laimas” )
  29. Morrigu (Morrigan)”

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“The ancient Greeks thought that the divinities knew everything including what would happen in the future. The Fates laid out a plan for each person at birth that was fixed and unchangeable. The Fates carried out the divine plan of Zeus by drawing lots and tying the resulting allotments into threads of life for each mortal born. These threads are woven together, actually knotted at different points and in different ways. Then the fabric of life is cut off at death and the end of life for that mortal.”

“A lottery is supposed to be a way a group of people have an equal chance to gain something valuable. The Fates use a lottery to distribute the goods and bads of the world to every mortal born. In a bag are placed tokens of these goods and bads. Before a person is born a number of these tokens are drawn out. In a normal lottery this would be a random event. But in the case of the Fates their knowledge of the future and the past allow them to draw tokens that suit the divine plan of Zeus. A mortal can repeat the same process and this is sometimes done to enable the mortal to prophesy the future. But when a mortal does this the result is just a random selection. The only exception to this is when the mortal has obtained the favor of some deity. Then the deity has the power to cause the tokens to be drawn in a way that reveals true prophesy. Many priests and others have claimed to be able to secure the favor of a deity and obtain a true prophesy. Persons in ancient Greek literature who have been described as having this power inlude: Calchas son of Thestor, Cassandra, Chryses, Iamus, Idmon, Lampon, Melampus, Mopsus, Tiresias, and Melampus. The literature about ancient Greece refer to these as seers. They are essentially prophets. They are not shaman only because the Greek religion is not considered shamanism.”

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I don’t know if I can personally follow a belief that I am somehow destined to experience everything in my life because a thread was cut, I am not willing to entirely dismiss the idea though, either. I find myself in an in between place. Interesting information nonetheless.

So, what do Christians seem to think about destiny?

“This is a very complex issue, and we will start with what the Bible does not teach. Fate is usually thought of as a predetermined course of events beyond human control. A typical response to a belief in fate is resignation—if we can’t change destiny, then why even try? Whatever happens, happens, and we can’t do anything about it. This is called “fatalism,” and it is not biblical.”

“Fatalism is a major premise of Islam, which demands total submission to the sovereignty of Allah. It is widely held in Hinduism, too; in fact, it is a fatalistic view of life that helps keep India’s caste system in place. Greek mythology told of the Moirai, or the Fates, three goddesses pictured as weavers of men’s lives. Their decisions could not be canceled or annulled, even by other gods. Again, fatalism is not a biblical concept.”

Fatalism: noun: The belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.

“The Bible teaches that Man was created with the ability to make moral choices and that he is responsible for those choices. The Fall of Man was not a predetermined event in which Adam and Eve were hapless victims of a Puppet-Master God. On the contrary, Adam and his wife had the ability to choose obedience (with its attendant blessing) or disobedience (with its consequent curse). They knew what the result of their decision would be, and they were held accountable (Genesis 3).”

“This theme of being held accountable for our choices continues throughout Scripture. “He who sows wickedness reaps trouble” (Proverbs 22:8a). “All hard work brings a profit, / but mere talk leads only to poverty” (Proverbs 14:23). “Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you” (Romans 13:3).”

“Often, when the Bible speaks of destiny, it’s in reference to a destiny people have brought upon themselves: “Many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction” (Philippians 3:18-19). “This is the fate of those who trust in themselves” (Psalm 49:13). “A man who commits adultery lacks judgment; / whoever does so destroys himself” (Proverbs 6:32). “Each person was judged according to what he had done” (Revelation 20:13).”

“We sin because we choose to. We can’t blame “Fate,” kismet, predestination, or God. James 1:13-14 says, “When tempted, no one should say, ‘God is tempting me.’ For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.”

“Interestingly, many people who choose to sin are annoyed by the negative consequences of their sin. “A man’s own folly ruins his life, / yet his heart rages against the LORD” (Proverbs 19:3). This is a very insightful verse. When a man foolishly wrecks his life, he may yet insist on blaming God, or perhaps “Fate.” In this way, he persists in his folly.”

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What about Islam?

“There is no doubt that God has decreed everything that happens in the universe from the beginning of time to the end, and that God has written it all in the Book of Decree:

{Know you not that Allah knows all that is in the heaven and on the earth? Verily, it is (all) in the Book (Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfuz). Verily, that is easy for Allah} (Al-Hajj 22: 70)

It is narrated that Abdullah ibn Amr said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying:

“Allah wrote down the decrees of creation fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth. Everything happens by the will of God. Whatever He wills happens, and whatever He does not will does not happen. However, as Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid explains:

“Belief in al-qadar (predestination) does not contradict the idea that a person has free will with regard to actions in which he has free choice. Shariah and real life both indicate that people have this will. God says concerning man’s will:

{That is (without doubt) the True Day. So, whosoever wills, let him seek a place with (or a way to) His Lord (by obeying Him in this worldly life)!} (Al-Naba’ 78: 39)

“These verses confirm that man has a will and the ability to do what he wants and not to do what he does not want. With regard to real life, everyone knows that he has a will and the ability to do what he wants and not to do what he does not want. And he can distinguish between the things that happen when he wants them to, such as walking, and those that happen without him wanting them to, such as shivering. But the will and ability of man are subject to the will and decree of God.”

“Sheikh Al-Munajjid’s last paragraph is the key to understanding Al-Qadar: walking (voluntary) versus shivering (involuntary). Other scholars have explained it as two types of Qadar, fixed and flexible. The fixed Qadar is that which happens to us from beyond our control. For example the time and place of our birth, any illnesses and natural disasters that befall us, etc. The flexible Qadar is that which is within the realm of our free will. Whether we do good or evil, and what we choose to believe and how we choose to live.”


Lastly, what does Judaism say?

“Jewish mystical tradition reveals the tremendous power that each human being has to affect the world through the unique gift of freewill. The Zohar itself illustrates this idea when it proclaims, “When man accomplishes God’s will below, he causes a parallel rectification above.” (Zohar I:35a) This single statement can give us an understanding of the differences between the beings that inhabit the upper, spiritual worlds, and human beings in the lower, physical world.”

“God created a system where the ripples of our freewill in the physical world are felt even in the spiritual realms. The idea that God created a world where humans were given complete freewill is a gift of tremendous magnitude and responsibility in itself. But the Zohar teaches us here that God created a system where the ripples of our freewill in the physical world are felt even in the spiritual realms.”

“Let’s examine this concept on a deeper level through the mystical commentary on the Torah written by the great Spanish Kabbalist Rabbi Moshe ben Nachman (1194-1270), known as the Ramban.”

“In the beginning of parashat Vayetzei, Jacob is fleeing from the murderous intentions of his brother Esau after receiving the blessing of the firstborn. On his way to seek refuge in the home of his uncle Laban, Jacob unknowingly sets up camp on the holy site of the future Temple. The Torah recounts the fantastic vision that appeared to him that night:

And behold the ladder was standing on the ground, and the top was reaching up to the heavens, and behold, angels of God were traveling up and down on it. (Gen. 28:12)

“The question that drives the Ramban’s comment here is a simple one: why are the angels going up first, and then coming down? If angels are truly beings of the upper spiritual worlds, then shouldn’t they come down first, and then go up? On this point the Ramban writes:

“God shows Jacob in a prophetic dream that everything in the world is done through angels, and all that occurs in the world is done through heavenly decrees given to them. Angels themselves that are sent to interact with the world never do anything on their own accord, whether a small or a large matter, until they return and stand before the Master of the World and say: “We have traveled the earth, and behold it is filled with tranquility”, or “it is filled with sword and blood”, and then God commands them to return down to the Earth and to do what God desires.” Note: Followers of Judaism do not say, or type out the word “God” I put the ‘o’ in so that you guys would understand, not that I think you are stupid. Also, I am not worried about pissing God off. –wink-


I find it interesting that with every culture, every tradition, and religion there is mention of destiny, or a pre-determined life.

Makes me wonder.